So back in highschool I really couldn't design characters. Like. At all hahahaha. All my boys were pre-pubescent girl-men with same-face. Aahhhh highschool. I did have a thing for way too much detail though, as seen in exhibit a. Recently I've been going through my old characters and redesigning them. This time was Asmodeus' turn, the King of Hell.
Artistically/technically, the newer version is better drawn and better proportioned and stuff, but I definitely prefer the first one for the underlying character design. The first design looks like a potentially interesting character (I have to admit I love the idea of a figure as dark and powerful as a king of Hell presenting himself so austerely) despite the generic anime dude look, the second might as well be a mannikin used to showcase some cool armor/wing design (which is definitely cool, don't get me wrong). I guess I just want to know who's under all that fancy armor.
It's a direct comparison of the character design, which was the original intent of the image in the first place. Nothing about my motivation for drawing these images changed between the years, so it fits the spirit of the competition perfectly.
If you want to see what's under his armor you can check it out here: [link] , but these images (as you can probably see why) are not full body costume designs and wouldn't fit the competition, which is why they were left out.
Why are all my favorite artists getting such negative feedback on these improvement memes? /rage cries
People can complain about anatomy, realism, and style (which kinda defeats the point because there is improvement in all those areas, people are just blind, IDK), but when it comes right down to it, the newer one is more interesting and unique. The old picture is boring; if it wasn't for the ornate outfit, he'd look like just about every other animeish cool older glasses guy. But then, bam, the newer one catches the eye: there's so much to look at, and yet there's still structure and consistency to the design.
Isn't good character design supposed to be about making a character that stands out and is unique, and not making one that looks like what everyone else is making?
I'm a long-time watcher who've always liked your style and admired your skill. I do so even more nowadays, with the addition that I can now also admire your progress, having seen it for a few years. It shows through especially in these redraws. Sure, the changes are dramatic - but that is, it seems to me, the entire point. Anything less wouldn't represent you correctly. You've had an amazing journey, at least it's been amazing to watch it, and for that privilege I am truly grateful.
+1 person who really likes your current style. You were one of the first artists I watched when I joined DA in high school, and I'm floored by how much more awesome you've become. I've really enjoyed your most recent works because they really push the envelope in terms of style and exaggeration, which at least from my perspective are rather intimidating barriers. I'm just sorry you're getting crap for it. :/
I really love the new design, there's so much life in it, and you can see how it would move. It's really something else, the two styles are so very different and while both are beautiful, I tend to lean more towards your newer style.
Really it's fantastic! I also love the detail work on the newer, the armor on the lower half of the body is just beautiful! You can see the rivets and the creases. <3
looks really cool. intricate redesign with some hints of regalness. i like that it looks a bit insectoid throughout with heavy segmentation of armor (especially with the helmet, lower body coat tails, and toe-guards).
i'm rather interested in a helmetless version of the King of Hell, especially given your Samael AU Redesign.
This is an amazing redesign! The old one is nice, but you're right, the style was much more generic though your detail was great even then. But now, your style has really developed, I love the variance in the line widths and the design of the armour.
I've read on your tumblr that people aren't satisfied with your progress or even want to to get to the old style. I really don't understand that, because your new work looks awesome! I like the design better and would like to see a coloured version! *.* I really can't understand why people don't like your newer work. You definitly made a lot of progress!
As someone who stuck to proportion laws a bit too much for my liking and is trying to learn to bend the rules now, I think your newest one is better. Posing has more character, the detail and redesign hints at his possible personality instead of mere decoration; combined with the style, I think it gives him more character than the original, which feels bland and typical, and doesn't stand out.
And it's actually obvious that you do know your anatomy, so saying "it's my style" here is actually valid. I dunno why "giraffe" is a bad thing, let alone be a descriptive - it has elegance to it if done right, and you've done it right. Keep it up, I love seeing artist improvement from my idols. :>
Hahahaha I was hoping people would see that the style didn't hide anatomy but rather accentuated it, highlighted parts of it, and when you bring attention to something like that you really need to learn your stuff, or else you're just bringing attention to the errors you've made.
I like long necks. It's just.. something my old watchers will have to get over. : |
Oh, that's an interesting way to put it, I've never thought of it that way before. I did notice the focus on certain areas, but I figured that it was your focus of things that you really like done in a way that exaggerates the body for personality and character design and to express yourself.
Yeah, it's up to them to get over or leave really :/ It's sad that you moved your stuff to scraps because of people like them, I like seeing old drawings in a gallery for comparison to understand where an artist really began their journey. But oh well.
Oh definitely it is. I would say you accentuate certain parts of the body because the character calls for it (at least in the case of character design).
There is folder in my main gallery that has my older work in it, you just don't see when you hit 'browse' anymore. I'll probably do another improvement meme thing (the much taller ones that examine year by year) so people can see that. I'll try not to out right hide old deviations altogether though. I think the scraps is an okay place to have them.
I love how stylized your work is, my favourite part of development for this picture has got to be just how unique you've come to draw his face, it's so angular and lovely like the rest of him, exaggerated limbs and such, his armor looks so well thought-out and planned.
I love how every piece fits wonderfully together without looking out of place.
I really like the fact that you didn't only improve technically but also artistically Your style in the old version was quite "common-manga-inspired" and is now way more personal and rich (and yout lines are so graceful now o) Don't let the bad comments discourage you !!
I cannot understand why people think the old one is better... I mean, some of the details are good but it has no life, it doesn't say anything to me... I love your new one waaaay much more! It's so stylized and beautiful! Also, as an artist who is still looking out for her style, I'm curious to know, how did you get from generic-anime style to this unique style of yours? Did you do researchs or force yourself to try new styles or did it just... happen?
It's a lot of research and experimentation with what works and what doesn't. I study other people's work a lot to find out why I like the things they're doing, why is appeals to me, and how I can achieve the same effect with my own art. It's definitely not something that just happens. :< Trying new styles is definitely a good way to start though.
I see, thanks for answering! I am very confused with my style! I'm trying to get out of that animu style I got in while I was still in highschool, and I think I'm starting to improve, but I'm not sure towards which style I want to evolve in... it just seems like I almost like them all, from semi-realistic to deformed and cartoony.... :I I have tried drawing in new styles but everything just seems so, so ugly and I am not sure how to react. Is this normal because I should practice more into this style, or is it a sign that I'm not good with this style and I should try another one instead? Sorry for my babbling, I'm just truly impressed by the way you improved your style so much. It's amazing how unique your style has gotten, and I really wonder what happened during all those years!
It's really just a lot of practice, artist will always think their stuff isn't perfect, but that's no reason to get yourself totally down on your style. You just have to understand that you'll never stop growing or changing your art. I would try checking out comics that aren't anime. My major influences have been european comics lately, as well as animators sketchbooks.
The best place to actually start with something like this is back at the basic level. You need to learn anatomy really well and be able to construct the form of a human in your head. Once you know the rules of drawing a form then you can understand how to break them with your style so it still makes sense (and veers away from uncanny valley or deformed).
I don't really watch anime anymore, but I have drawn for so many years in this style, it's just hard to let go, I think, even if I don't really like it anymore... I really love animators sketchbooks, I find them to be incredibly inspiring and helpful, but I have no idea where I can find those! I looked in many libraries but couldn't find any. Do you know where I could get some, if it isn't too much of a bother to ask? :I
I see! Thank you for your advices! I am already working hard on anatomy but I'll guess I'll work even harder!
Oh, also, I've bought your sketchbook at comic-con, it's amazing! It's very inspiring. And now I regret that I did not buy the comic book, too. :c Just thought I would say it. ;v;
Try looking up "the Labyrinth bookstore", it's in Toronto and has every animator sketchbook you could possibly want. Their website is kind of a mess, but they do ship out orders if you email them what you want. They're great people, and its a store run by artists for artists.
Oh thank you! I'm glad you find it inspiring. And no worried, the comic book wasn't for sale yet, next year though for sure!